With about 300 quills in the mouth, nose and throat of each dog, we had to take them all to the vet—but they would not jump up into the truck. There have been several times that I’ve seen their floofy booties happily trotting off. Thank you. Here are some interesting facts about the Great Pyrenees… Absolutely 100% of all our donations go to the dogs we care for. I really like and so recommend the Great Pyrenees for the job. Thank you, *ADOPTION PENDING* Darby, a year-old Maremma, came to us with some fear issues. Great Pyrenees fend off timberwolf pack and kill one of them… Turkish kangal are called specialised wolf killers in their homeland… A wolf can chew and consume bone and its bite force alone can kill any dog with a single attack. It was fun to enjoy the status of being amongst the top few tree planting contractors in BC, and so, one of the top tree planting contractors in the world. 150lb Great Pyrenees kill by young cougar. Warning shots did not work either. I wished that I had my dog with me, but he was in Australia. A federal Wildlife Services trapper confirmed the wolf kill based on tracks and damage to the dog’s body. He is a low metabolism animal and so he eats about the same amount of food as an average sized dog. The idea of shoving a giant wolf in there seems wrong like I’m spoiling a great movie. They looked and behaved like two big bulls. Then, later in the season, three dogs tried to get a porcupine to leave the block. Of course they don’t get it. We were laughed at and told we were nuts when we first proposed to take 6,000 sheep to plantations 100 km out bush from Stewart on the west coast, but we were confident that good BC shepherds and 50 dogs would keep the sheep safe. Firstly, guardian dogs want to guard you, they can’t help it, that’s their strongest instinct. He weighed about 150 pounds and was one of our best dogs, so we quickly made a “bush stretcher” out of two long sticks and our sweatshirts and carried him to the truck. caught up in then and form a type of natural fang proof armor. Suddenly there was Tiger again, fighting like crazy, and once again, he held the grizzly off until the other dogs arrived. When the second lamb is born, they put the puppy beside the newborn lamb when the ewe is not looking and (usually) she can be tricked into thinking that she gave birth to the puppy. I have witnessed that transformation dozens of times and it really is always a shock to experience. The grizzly was right there, sprinting straight at him, almost on top of him. I have been a silvicultural contractor for 34 years (17 years tree planting contracting, employing 100 to 200 planters per year, and 17 years as a sheep vegetation management (sheep veg. Finally, you can avoid some negative traits by training your Great Pyrenees to respect you and by following the 11-step care program in my book, 11 Things You Must Do Right To Keep Your Dog Healthy and Happy. Lying down. We felt completely naked, and fairly stupid. Mauja and Kiska can never be off-leash. We work hard to socialize our pets to ensure they maintain the right to share our space in our society. Atka can be off-leash in certain situations, but it has to be a pretty low key environment. We think that we were working on a wildlife trail between the valley and the alpine pastures. Then, one of his pack mates mouthed off about his bad hair cut and a major dog fight exploded. They don’t prefer to eat people, its just that they eat pretty well anything including vegetation, berries, fish, carrion, apple pies, garbage, toothpaste, grubs, insects, people, deer, moose, cows, sheep, bears, candy, etc. To begin with, don’t forget to teach them to (1) come when they are called, (2) jump up into the truck on command and (3) lead. The speech went something like this: “Bears live here and bears eat people. These are livestock guardian dogs, and their purpose is to protect livestock animals from large predators. All of the neighbor’s kids love him, babies hang on his tail and ride him, but he wouldn’t harm a fly. The ewe will lick it clean and care for it. When all of the Pyrenees dogs that we have owned and raised lye down, they flop down loud and hard every time. Needless to say, we were fairly feral by the time the helicopter came. Nothing had really happened—except that I got another reminder of the vulnerability of all silvicultural workers, and of my own mortality. The great pry we used to have would attack coyotes without a second of hesitation, they are fearless. Shearing dogs is a chore that I’d rather not bother with, so I don’t have much experience with the Komondor breed. A little history, if you know the Great Pyrenees, you know it is a French dog, and in the beginning over two decades, over 20 years ago, we had imported Great Pyrenees from an old and established kennel. The shepherds were trailing the 1,500 sheep flock down a logging road, through the dense forest to another block. var gaJsHost=(("https:"==document.location.protocol)?"https://ssl.":"http://www. Great Pyrenees are large dogs, with females weighing 85 pounds and up and males weighing 100 pounds or more. Most of all, don’t represent easy protein.”. He is fearful. The BC tree planting industry quickly became the world leader in high quality, high production reforestation, employing thousands of young Canadians. He enjoys the park and long walks so he can sniff everything. Don’t keep food in your tent, don’t go up to them for a better photo, and do trust your “sixth sense”: if you feel like you are in danger, you probably are. Obviously those two grizzlies knew that they were the kings of the forest. There are quite a few dog breeds that I would back against the forty to sixty pound wolves found in most of their range. We used to think that a pack of three guardian dogs was ample for bears. Because of this issue, I definitely do not recommend the use of Akbash to guard BC silvicultual workers. It will not stop until the danger is past and that the speed and viciousness of the response will absolutely shock them. Discussion in 'Mayberry Lounge' started by Cuzcatlan, ... And still if forced to fight a big alpha male wolf (with that look in teh eyes lol) will probably kill them And the chances that a wolf have against a mountain lion are very low. 4. They would not be able to If the conditions are ideal for both sides, no dog breed can handle wolves in fair and equal fight. Just as Greyhounds were bred to run and Labradors were bred to retrieve ducks, livestock guardian dogs were bred to guard. Then it started to rain and our cheap boots and raingear fell apart. Then they got vexed and regardless of the pain, tore that porcupine to bits. Efforts to trap and kill the wolf are underway. I'm still a conservatard in his book, http://www.metacafe.com/watch/107754...ion_exclusive/, (You must log in or sign up to reply here. One example I witnessed was a dog fight between two mature male Great Pyrenees guardian dogs and a large mature male Hungarian Kuvasz. We have a 4 month old Great Pyrenees and he has already fatally injured one and yesterday he killed and viscerated another hen. We are working on this and is to be continued by his new people. However, they never show that side of their character unless the situation requires that response. Please help us reduce their misery. We limped home to camp at dusk after our first day of planting to see three bears leaving our trashed camp. Fully grown bobcats would probably destroy most domestic dogs on the planet. They don’t hate you or like you. When he “kicks into gear and goes to work,” he definitely means business. Here are some interesting facts about the Great Pyrenees… Another huge battle erupted and the dogs chased the bear back into the forest again. insomniatric, Mar 30, 2013 #84. These dogs like having quiet time in the house and enjoy a predictable, orderly routine. Others have Great Pyrs as working dogs. This is very effective protection when fighting a wolf pack. The whole fight lasted seconds, but already my Kuvasz was clearly dying. The Great Pyrenees is a big dog with an equally big heart. (Definitely a serious deterrent for even the most hungry grizzly! Let's leave our livestock guardian dogs and go home. The vast majority of Great Pyrenees cannot be off-leash. Socialization from an early age is essential. Yodel was right about the Great Pyrenees being bred a herd and home guardians. Ben: That is a movie. The idea of the dreadlocks is that they mat together, get sticks etc. Last year I had a reminder of how little some silvicultural workers know about bears. They were in good condition and doing just fine. Dogs are great tools but hardly the baddest animals on the hunt. Great Pyrenees killing baby goats I just purchased a great Pyrenees She is three years old. Suddenly, right at the perfect place for an ambush (a switch back with a steep drop off on one side), a large, predatory grizzly charged into the rear of the flock—determined to get a sheep. I usually purchase mine for $400 to $600 per pup, and since they can work for about 8 or 9 years, I see them as one of the great bargains of today. Four of us were doing regeneration surveys. They certainly were not fed or used for breeding. We have always worked way out in the boonies and we have taken more sheep further out bush than anybody in Canadian history. We feed our dogs once per day and always before we eat our supper. We learned to increase the guardian dog packs to eight dogs per 1,500 sheep flock. Living With: The Great Pyrenees can be a wonderful companion if you live in a suburban or rural area and lead a fairly placid life. Great Pyrenees started killing chickens. We are at a loss as to what to do. The author lost the great Pyrenees mix in I took the camp dog to the block for a few days to deal with it. Lots of our sheep veg. *ADOPTION PENDING* This young white fluffy mix is a sweet girl who is typical of her primary breed. Great Pyrenees are big. Mauja and Kiska can never be off-leash. I realized that our travel trailers were basically cardboard boxes, that my .303 rifle was a toy, and that I don’t shoot well anyway. The Club once again thanks Mr. Dennis Loxton, the Western Silvicultural Contractors' Association and BC Forest Safety Council for granting express permission to reproduce this article for the benefit of visitors to our site. I remember a story on here about a bobcats terrifying someones dog or something along the lines of that. And the breed’s name in the U.S. is Great Pyrenees. Our previous bear experience was limited to koala bears. The fact that we have only lost a total of eight sheep to bears and wolves in our 17-year sheep veg. The Pyrenees is more of a “big bruiser,” than an athlete, with a deep, powerful voice. The dogs will continue patrolling the work site all day, and they really love their job. Supervise your boy when he is with the birds. 150lb Great Pyrenees kill by young cougar. Some Pyrenees can be overly aggressive, especially with strange dogs and other animals. About one month later, two of us went back with five dogs, finished the job, got Ben’s shovel and all was fine. I think my previous article was a little too full of fluff, and not enough 'straight to the point'. So of course many of us have given the Pitbull a reputation of being the best fighting dog and Pitbulls are known to take out any known dog breed in a dogfight. On one of our sheep veg. Hence my point about cats having the ability to grapple. Oeshon Steel Belt. I firmly believe that dogs, and particularly livestock guardian dogs, can reduce bear attacks on BC silvicultural workers. Two of the dogs were able to hold back the snarling grizzly, lunging and ducking the bear’s swatting claws, until the other guardian dogs arrived. Jump to Latest Follow ... That certainly occurs. I think that they are marvelous workers and my shepherds definitely like them on their work site. He is our big baby who watches. Discussion in 'Mayberry Lounge' started by Cuzcatlan, ... And still if forced to fight a big alpha male wolf (with that look in teh eyes lol) will probably kill them And the chances that a wolf have against a mountain lion are very low. As pets and show dogs, we know the Great Pyr well. Unlike many other dog-owning homes, we can't just ‘decide' to get a … Most owners shear them annually. Since bears are opportunists looking for an easy meal, when they encounter the dogs, it usually doesn’t take them long to decide that they are better off eating berries and fish or something that represents less hassle. They are a large breed usually weighing about 150 pounds, but sometimes getting up to 200 lbs body weight. They must have drugged the wolves. Fair enough—how could they? It also needs mentioning that the shepherds have four Australian Kelpie sheep herding dogs per flock. We had plenty of slash, but it did not work, as the fire did not bother the bears after a while. They are thought to be descended from large flock guardian dogs that were used in Asia beginning around 10,000 years ago. How could they ever grasp that “Fluffy” the gentle giant is really the equivalent of a lion in a dog’s body? Not less than two dogs, and 3-6 being even better. The crazy part of it all is that I have seen those same two Great Pyrenees lick and comfort a sick lamb all day and then be clearly quite distressed when they could not save its life. The cooks were angry with me for taking the dog to the block, and demanded “their” dog back. I’ve used Great Pyrenees dogs to guard my commercial Boer Goat farm, poultry (egg) farm, and horse training/shoeing facility for decades. They are smart enough to know that humans are bad news. Great Pyrenees are adults at 1 year of age but can take up to 2 years to mature. She is pregnant and I … The fight exploded right in front of another shepherd and myself. They vary in color from pure white to pure black and every shade of brown and gray inbetween. Renee Legro, who was 33 at the time of the 2008 attack, was mauled by two Great Pyrenees dogs in the mountains near Vail, Colorado while participating in a mountain bike race. But if its one where they are in a cage. The story continued, "When the dogs chase the wolf with the intention to kill it, this means much more for the wolf" (Sedefchev 2005). This painting "La Chasse au Loup" by Jean-Baptiste Oudry (1746). This happened easily enough. The shepherds took this opportunity to get the flock briskly moving again. You will be amazed at just how much protection there is in a Great Pyr! He has been bred to grow long dreadlocks that reach the ground. I see different answers everywhere. Yes, livestock guardian dog breeds, such as Great Pyrenees and Akbash, can both protect livestock during the day and live in the home during the night. Is it safe to neuter a 5-year old male? 7 months ago. Project manager Jolene Shepherd prefers a dog pack combining Great Pyrenees, Kuvasz and Maremma, with each breed bringing their particular strong points to the pack. For example, if a young yearling black bear comes onto a plantation, the experienced older dogs will instruct the younger dogs to run up and chase it away, but if a large grizzly comes, they clearly instruct the younger dogs to stay with the flock while the biggest and toughest dogs attack the bear. mgmt work. One Akbash owner tried to justify the breed’s temperament by explaining “whereas other guardian dog breeds were bred to guard against predators, the Akbash was bred to guard against predators and bandits.” Great! We all like him so we keep him.” I hear that story often and then I try to explain that their dog has never had reason to show his tough side, so they have never seen that side of him, but should someone or something threaten to harm the family, that dog would instantly transform into one powerful, ferocious animal that will never back off. I think the game changer is the claws. contracting experience speaks for itself. We pride ourselves in being good shepherds and we try not to harm or kill any animals, including predators, for any reason. I believe the secret to success is for you to have not just one wolf defense dog, but a pack of dogs. She has never been with goats but has been with cows. Otherwise, it is too easy for them to seriously hurt or even kill a small, unsuspecting dog. Animal aggression. The bear left during the night and next morning we all just went back to our sheep veg. Things were getting fairly rough at that point, but we were young and making good money, so we continued working from daylight to dark, seven days a week, until we had planted all of the trees. My son Daniel was only a few meters away and had a better view of the fight than he would have preferred. Here is the story of a family pet that defended its family against a Bear attack. (By the way, I’m not trying to sell you a dog.) The vast majority of Great Pyrenees cannot be off-leash. He stopped eating, got sick and very skinny. When he comes running at you he looks strange and very scary. Discussion in 'Mayberry Lounge' started by Cuzcatlan, Mar 29, 2013. inb4 BrokenCouch calls you a gun nut conservatard. Wolf raids, in particular, have become more commonplace: In 2005, ... komondor and Great Pyrenees were patrolling America’s rangelands in defense of livestock. Great Pyrenees Dog Attack Case Settled for $1 Million A Colorado woman was the recipient of a $1 million settlement earlier this month in a dog attack case. When I brought the dog back to camp, another bear showed up on the block and scared another planter. Turning to look behind him, Daniel stopped dead. What wolf? mgmt. They can climb trees, and they are searching for food every waking minute. Livestock guardian dog (LGD) breeds love to have an outside job to do and also love to be part of the family. Ben: That is a movie. Pyrenees Myth #1: “They are so big!” I know they look big. Two of them in particular were unusually huge. Meanwhile another black bear had come to camp, trashed some tree planters’ tents and finally was shot by the foreman as it sat eating granola, right in the middle of the cook tent. I've always thought it was interesting that… But last week, while on a jaunt into the mountains north of Emmett, the 200-pound Great Pyrenees was brought down by at least one wolf. Soon, Daniel was jogging along after the sheep—making him the last animal in line. Training. Healthy Great Pyrenees dogs, both males and females are not only capable of chasing down and killing healthy coyotes, but I’ve had to train a few not to chase and take down whitetail deer. The saying goes: an off-leash pyr is a disapyr. Read More. Great Pyrenees dogs were developed in the 15th and 16th centuries in the mountains between Spain and France to protect sheep and goats from the wolves -- … I think that the most prestigious brands and top-of-the-line formulas are overrated and too expensive, while the cheaper stuff (as with all low bids) is usually low on product and high on filler—leaving you with more dog turds for somebody to clean up later. The Great Pyrenees Club of America asserts that the Great Pyrenees is a lupomossoloid, descended from wolves without the influence of mastiff, or mossoloid, dogs. But at the heart of all Pyrs lies a true guardian. Things got crazy at that point as I had completely misjudged how many animal rights activists I had employed. Nov 06, 20 06:18 PM. Renee Legro, who was 33 at the time of the 2008 attack, was mauled by two Great Pyrenees dogs in the mountains near Vail, Colorado while participating in a mountain bike race. Healthy Great Pyrenees dogs, both males and females are not only capable of chasing down and killing healthy coyotes, but I’ve had to train a few not to chase and take down whitetail deer. Thunderbrand. The dogs rarely actually bite a bear, but they put on such a show of viciousness that they clearly represent a huge hassle to that bear. Almost all cougars that come so close to human civilization are young or sub adult cougars...Adult Males have huge home ranges and actively avoid where humans are. Lesley jumped into the safety of the flock. A dog pack combining both Great Pyrenees and Kuvasz works wonderfully, but the Kuvasz loves to patrol a very large area and so is harder to keep at home during the off season. Young Great Pyrenees (up to about three years old) romp and jump with great vigor, and things can go flying, including people. (adsbygoogle=window.adsbygoogle||[]).push({}); Bears—and the possibility of being eaten by one—are a very real part of normal life for BC silvicultural workers today. The only thing I can think of that might put the fear of death and destruction into 15-20 200-pound wolves single-handed, and on a regular basis, would be a Marlin Model 1895, .45-70.loaded with Buffalo Bore or Garret Cartridge Co's best medium weight bullets. Many of them are already spoiled by easy food from sloppy campers, fishermen, and garbage dumps, and some are even problem town bears relocated to your work site by your Government. The cougar even kills a dogo. However, a good brush is necessary to pull out the dead undercoat that can prevent proper air circulation. The early sheep farmers of Canada and the USA imported the finest European guardian dogs, so Canada already has excellent guardian dogs. mgmt.) It helps to keep the scales balanced out around here… But in all seriousness, ahem, acquiring these puppies was not something we did lightly. The brown bear (Ursus arctos) is a large bear species found across Eurasia and North America. The Pyrenean Mountain Dog, known as the Great Pyrenees in North America, is a large breed of dog used as a livestock guardian dog.It should not be confused with the Pyrenean Mastiff.. As late as 1874 the breed was not completely standardized in appearance, with two major subtypes recorded, the Western and the Eastern. ), In the case of silvicultural workers, I think that one livestock guardian dog per plantation would do the job, but a pair would be much better. We were on the other side of a river and mountains and pretty well nowhere. Ben was so traumatized by that bear experience that he quit the silviculture industry and got a job as a fashion model in Indonesia. Let's leave our livestock guardian dogs and go home. Within seconds the other guardian dogs arrived to help Tiger. Her projects have never had a sheep killed by a predator, so it makes sense to me. They always seem happy and friendly, but underneath all of that tail wagging and smiling is a big, serious dog. Great Pyrenees Dog Attack Case Settled for $1 Million A Colorado woman was the recipient of a $1 million settlement earlier this month in a dog attack case. The dog’s attack deflected the bear’s charge off to the side of the road, and almost certainly saved my son’s life. We believe that our sheep are safer from predation when they are out bush with us and guarded by livestock guardian dogs than they would be at home in most Canadian sheep farmers’ fields. Wolves inhabit forests, deserts, mountains, tundras, grasslands and even urban areas with the wolf being a particularly dominant and ruthless predator within it's environment. A dog sees a running screaming kid as doing what humans do (although it makes no sense, hey, they are family) but a wolf sees a running screaming child as prey. ");document.write(unescape("%3Cscript src='"+gaJsHost+"google-analytics.com/ga.js' type='text/javascript'%3E%3C/script%3E"));try{var pageTracker=_gat._getTracker("UA-13225484-1");pageTracker._trackPageview();}catch(err){}. The Pyrenean Mountain Dog, known as the Great Pyrenees in North America, is a large breed of dog used as a livestock guardian dog.It should not be confused with the Pyrenean Mastiff.. As late as 1874 the breed was not completely standardized in appearance, with two major subtypes recorded, the Western and the Eastern. Wolves are much less tolerant of being touched by unfamiliar humans than most dogs are. We had 50 working dogs at the time. The crew yelled at her to jump into the middle of the flock, but she could not move. Don’t assume that because a wolf is near you, you can pet it. Most of our dogs come to us from kill shelters around the Central Texas, South Texas and Greater Houston area. They kill wolves and they kill … Although the guardian dogs seem quite gentle and laid back, they are also large, very powerful, quick and vicious animals. He dropped his new stainless steel shovel, jumped over a small cliff and ran back to the truck, yelling into his radio the whole time. Look around their is an argentinian news report on it. But this article shows the Great Pyr at work in the rugged country of British Columbia. They said the young black bear was “only playing.” Other planters did not see it as fun and would not get out of the truck. Joined: And the breed’s name in the U.S. is Great Pyrenees. Its better if there is an older, experienced dog to teach them the ropes (for example, to chase the bears off of the block that you are working on, but not to bother going off into the forest looking for grizzlies to chase). He could have though the Corgi was an intruder. We got him to help protect the chickens but never expected this to happen. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. They are especially dangerous to children. The article provides great insight into the lives of Great Pyrs as livestock guardian dogs. Some of us have Great Pyrenees Mountain Dogs as pets. The Kelpie breed is half dingo and very hardy. He was a mess. 4. I remember when Apache (mix Anatolian/Chow/Lab/Wolf) was still alive and walking with me in the pasture. We've had him since he was 12 weeks old and are absolutely amazed by how quickly he was able to work, This beautiful young year-old Maremma needs to have his confidence built up. 150lb Great Pyrenees kill by young cougar. Socialization from an early age is essential. The camp cooks demanded that the bear dog stay in camp, and so the planters themselves were still exposed to potential bear attack. Jump to Latest Follow ... That certainly occurs. They should simply feed them, pat them, befriend them and the dogs will want to hang out with the crew and guard them 24/7. He loves to hang out with the wife and kids. A major battle exploded right behind Daniel as he pushed his way into the safety of the flock. My first experience with bears, tree planting, and wishing that I had a dog with me, all happened on the same day, about 34 years ago. All content copyright protected 2005 - 2020 They will tell you that “they own a Great Pyrenees, but he’s not really much of a guard dog and in fact he’s a big, friendly, tail wagging goof. Otherwise, it is too easy for them to seriously hurt or even kill a small, unsuspecting dog. The other two are eighteenth century Great Pyrenees dogs. When the crew arrives on the block, the first job is to release the dogs. Living With: The Great Pyrenees can be a wonderful companion if you live in a suburban or rural area and lead a fairly placid life. The Great Pyrenees is a big dog with an equally big heart. We were at camp and all of our dogs were with the sheep flock when these two giants started casually walking towards us. Great Pyrenees have a reputation as great livestock guardian dogs. At the end of this page look for the link to an amazing story of a family pet that protected its family from a Bear attack.